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TRC 04-27-2011 12:44 PM

Does this goal look more symmetrical to you?
 
Hey folks, without explaining my history or anything about me, I'd love it if ya'll commented on which nose in the picture below looks more symmetrical and in line with the rules of symmetry formulated and diagnosed by masters of art such as Leonardo DaVinci and passed down through centuries of culture and history.

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...g/sdadafdf.png

In my personal opinion, I feel that the nose on the left has a fairly obvious "bulging tip/tip pollybeak", does not have a flattering nasal-collumellar angle, overall seems too masculine or "rule-breaking" to be "beautiful", and also has a too-low end to the top nasal bone (ends below the eye). Whereas I believe the nose on the right has all of the small touches done to it that creates a more beautiful, harmonious nose that matches more-so with the history of beauty and rhinoplasty ideals studied by both rhinoplasty masters and by great artists alike. Though smaller in ways of measurement (aside from the addition of height the nasal bone), the nose on the right also simply seems to give a look with a stronger dignity rooted in beauty, ultimately making the smaller, symmetrical nose on the right also the one with the most enduring character.

Opinions?

Rskull 04-27-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TRC (Post 10614)
Hey folks, without explaining my history or anything about me, I'd love it if ya'll commented on which nose in the picture below looks more symmetrical and in line with the rules of symmetry formulated and diagnosed by masters of art such as Leonardo DaVinci and passed down through centuries of culture and history.

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...g/sdadafdf.png

In my personal opinion, I feel that the nose on the left has a fairly obvious "bulging tip/tip pollybeak", does not have a flattering nasal-collumellar angle, overall seems too masculine or "rule-breaking" to be "beautiful", and also has a too-low end to the top nasal bone (ends below the eye). Whereas I believe the nose on the right has all of the small touches done to it that creates a more beautiful, harmonious nose that matches more-so with the history of beauty and rhinoplasty ideals studied by both rhinoplasty masters and by great artists alike. Though smaller in ways of measurement (aside from the addition of height the nasal bone), the nose on the right also simply seems to give a look with a stronger dignity rooted in beauty, ultimately making the smaller, symmetrical nose on the right also the one with the most enduring character.

Opinions?

I did nt understand which pic on the left/right you are refering to. I prefer the 2nd pic. Is it possible to achieve that?

TRC 04-28-2011 12:20 AM

The smaller nose (the more symmetrical one) is the goal (the 2nd picture), while the one that looks larger at the bottom and has a lower nasal bone is my current nose. I believe the goal is possible - with the nasal bone radix extension, I've seen this type of graft performed on Asians and African's many times - as well as with the pollybeak reduction, the reduction was surprisingly only a very finesse change when combined with the radix graft; it's surprising the tremendous effect only small changes can have!

However, this is only one problem angle - my front view is actually 10x more horrible than this view, and is the main reason I need surgery. But of coarse, I feel like my side view could be improved, as well, and the radix extension and pollybeak reduction would only bring more harmony to the front, as well!

And again, the morph, despite how different in character the two noses are, only two surgical changes were "made" - I only added a small radix graft and trimmed the pollybeak by very finesse amounts. Again, it so surprising what only tiny changes can do to a nose's integrity! What's strange is the morphed nose also makes the area under my eyes look fuller and a bit younger, and I didn't do a thing to my eyes in the morph!

Rskull 04-28-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TRC (Post 10622)
The smaller nose (the more symmetrical one) is the goal (the 2nd picture), while the one that looks larger at the bottom and has a lower nasal bone is my current nose. I believe the goal is possible - with the nasal bone radix extension, I've seen this type of graft performed on Asians and African's many times - as well as with the pollybeak reduction, the reduction was surprisingly only a very finesse change when combined with the radix graft; it's surprising the tremendous effect only small changes can have!

However, this is only one problem angle - my front view is actually 10x more horrible than this view, and is the main reason I need surgery. But of coarse, I feel like my side view could be improved, as well, and the radix extension and pollybeak reduction would only bring more harmony to the front, as well!

And again, the morph, despite how different in character the two noses are, only two surgical changes were "made" - I only added a small radix graft and trimmed the pollybeak by very finesse amounts. Again, it so surprising what only tiny changes can do to a nose's integrity! What's strange is the morphed nose also makes the area under my eyes look fuller and a bit younger, and I didn't do a thing to my eyes in the morph!

Hi TRC,

The reason why I asked you whether is the 2nd pic achievable is because prior to my surgery I asked my surgeon to get me similar results of your 2nd pic. We had a pic morph of the nose very much similar to your 2nd pic. As a result of the surgery, the nose not only did not become like the morphed pic (similar to yr 2nd morphed pic) but the nose was shortened and became fat. That s why I m septic now about trying to achieve those results because in my opinion after the surgery the nose became less aesthetically pleasant than my original nose I presented my surgeon with initially and breathing became a problem now after my surgery. Now I sort of lost interest in having that morphed nose but I only wish to improve on what I m left with.

Once I asked a good surgeon with ages of experience (after the surgery) and he told me that he can increase the length of the nose by few mm. I told him that few mm might not be enough but he insisted that few mm is enough together with other refinements. He added that it s sort of unbelievable how few mm can bring a change in the appearance of the nose. I believe this surgeon because he has years of experience and I got the impression that he was honest and patient oriented.

The 2nd pic is nice TRC, and it s true, the eyes look different-younger.:)

TRC 04-29-2011 12:28 PM

Well, a big issue with my nose is that from birth, I had a very smooth, flat nose that was just extremely wide and flared. With my primary, my surgeon amputated about 75% of my nose, and sutured the remaining 25% into an extremely pinched pollybeak (using permenant stitches in the cartilage).

With my last surgery, the only change I realistically wanted was for the revision surgeon to cut these sutures and spread apart the middle dorsal contour with spreader grafts - this is all I needed, and it would have benefitted the front and side, giving me back my smooth, facial-fitting ethnic nose to some extent. But he added huge, rounded, constantly-inflamed grafts to my entire contour, and did not even touch the original pinched dorsum, which is pollybeaked all the same (if not worse), and my nose has such strange contours from the front that it both looks extremely fat and extremely pinched at the same time, depending on the lights. The grafts in my nose are very lateral (placed near my cheekbones/facial bones), while the extremely pinched tip and bridge is more in the extended part, poking outward in the tip point, nasal roof section. It's a pretty complex nose.

This is a pictures-speak-louder-than-words collage I made of my primary, the revision morph, and the revision result. While this doesn't show the side profile morph my last surgeon made me too, you can see how the front profile morph he made me both looks smoother and less pinched from the front, which is what I wanted and which is what would have happened if the pollybeak was simply smoothened and widened. But NO he had to not touch that and add huge grafts around the entire thing!:

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a.../morphs1-1.jpg

I'd take my Michael Jackson pinched primary back any day over this ogre, overgrafting "Dr. T"-like surgery, I literally look like some sort of monster off of a cartoon now, and I look 40 years older than my real age (21), yet both in my primary picture and the morph, I look better in BOTH of them, and this revision destroyed my looks. It doesn't make sense how a surgeon can take a pinched primary that just needed slight changes, turning it into a complete mess. It's just been horrific for me, and when people look at me, they see me as some type of creature or cave man - more people have told me this to my face than not.

And here's my side profile and morph full face:

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...led2224hh4.png

And yeah, I'm thinking about getting a slight forehead reduction as well, it's a very common procedure and it will be impossible for me to appear softer and less masculine without it (which is my goal for many personal reasons.) But I'd totally have to get an opinion first of rather it would be possible with my nasal surgeries already being done, and if a radix graft may be enough to cure this aspect without forehead surgery.

ekul 04-30-2011 12:48 AM

Wow, so sorry you have to go through this. Can I ask who did the botched revision? If you could pm me as I'm about to have a rhino to correct a messed up nose (car accident).

I'm set on going with dr Andrew Frankel or Jay calvert.

Good luck man, I hope you get it sorted out

TRC 04-30-2011 05:49 AM

Here's an example of what I go through every day:

Yesterday, I was walking around the mall, and I was waiting on a family member (waited a long time) so I was just walking around listening to my Ipod. There was this group of boys who were also walking around and after about the 3rd time I passed them, one of them shouted and pointed at me "Look, there's that boy with the messed up face again!"

This happens almost every time I go out in public, my face is that extreme from what surgeons have done to me, I look like a monster and it's destroyed my entire life; if random people yell names at me in public, imagine what my acting career has been like. I actually get less discrimination if I wear a bandage over my nose - no one yells at me with a bandage on (people tend to feel empathy rather than disgust when they see a bandage), yet without a bandage on, all people see is a monster that, to their knowledge, was just "born that way."

spanky 10-26-2011 11:25 AM

a couple of things strike me about your case.First,there was no reason to get any surgery,original front pic looks great,morph looks great but a bit wider at the tip and dorsum.Actual outcome still swollen at tip a good bit but definitely not a botch job,the spreader grafts are swollen as is the tip,they should deswell in another 6 months or so.Nobody yells at anyone because of their appearance no matter how bad.Nobody would think you had anything wrong with your nose ,it looks like a naturally broad nose and tip,not bulbous ,just broad,its very symmetrical and straight but not as good as your original in terms of size.Your profile is a poor result ,too much supratip fullness and not enough radix.

MF_DOOM 11-19-2011 02:26 PM

I think he might have some explaining to do, Im sorry to hear about this. I wish you the best in getting this resolved

Good luck


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