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TRC 04-27-2011 12:53 AM

Was banned at MMH AGAIN?!?!?
 
Hey guys, I do not post on this forum often, but I have been a regular (and in my opinion, a very helpful and proactive) member of MMH for about 5 years now.

Because of my controversial beliefs (I do not believe botched surgery happens because "God" wants it to happen, I believe botched surgery happens because of unskilled, neglectful surgeons), and because I am a young male-to-female transgender, various people naturally tend to start arguements and say very rude things to me, and naturally, it starts harsh statements; however, I have never started a forum argument myself and I try my best not to engage with ignorant folks. As well, with being a member of MMH for 5 years, I have a VERY detailed knowledge of which doctors have destroyed people's faces and have literally mutilated the noses off their face; as a result, if I see someone going to one of these doctors, I always risk being banned or whatnot to verbally warn the person of the surgeon. Patients mean more to me than a forum membership, but then again, it's not like other people don't do this either, everyone I know warns patients about surgeons just like I do.

So why do I keep getting banned from MMH? This time, I was suddenly banned after having my new account (and what I thought was a friendly relationship with the new moderator) for only a month? Because I am technologically savy, MMH have never stopped me from re-signing up (I've had screenames like Various, TurtleTurtle, TickedTurtle, Tortuga, and each and every time I tell the forum up front that it is ME.), and they've especially never stopped me from viewing the forum, but this is getting ridiculous. I believe it's all because of how, because I've actually had the experience of being botched worse than perfectionist old ex-porno actresses, that I DON'T believe botched surgery is a RANDOM CHANCE OF GOD; I believe it happens because of BAD SURGEONS and this difference in religious belief has ALWAYS been what I think is the reason the mods at MMH keep banning me - all of the folks in that forum have always seemed to justify being botched with religious excuses, even still worshipping the monster surgeons that did bad surgeries on them. I am not like that and I am pro-active about the FACTS.

So if anyone knows why I keep getting banned at MMH, feel free to say.

P.S. At MMH, there's an epidemic of "nurses/nurses in training" who have signed up on that forum promoting the ideal that surgery is not a "science" and that it is never "perfect", backed up with sob stories about "a relative died from cancer so I know not everything can be cured by surgery." (despite how cancer is a lethal and untreatable disease, an ugly nose is neither of those things.). Multiple users are promoting this "it's more a chance of God" or "if you have botched surgery, you probably are unrealistic or you probably deserved it", and it's getting sick. It's wrong. What's worse is that these members also tend to pick and choose, based on religious beliefs, who is considered a "realistic" patient (unrelated to what their nasal case is, but more related to their orientation or gender), and it causes all sorts of problems. If anyone should be banned, it's THESE members, but the mods won't do that, because everyone over there is a bunch of pro-religion wacko's who want to talk about religious ideals more than NOSES.

There was even one of these "nurses/pro-botch" users who said, word for word, that any patient with a botched surgery deserves to have botched surgery until they become a surgeon themselves and spend 15 years studying rhinoplasty. But I garuntee it was actually a SURGEON behind this username that said this, trying to defend the rhinoplasty field.

Almondtree 04-29-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TRC (Post 10611)

P.S. At MMH, there's an epidemic of "nurses/nurses in training" who have signed up on that forum promoting the ideal that surgery is not a "science" and that it is "realistic" patient (unrelated to what their nasal case is, but more related to their orientation or gender), and it causes all sorts of problems. field.

Your logic is soooo flawed and twisted, you are comparing apples with oranges that if this is how you argue I can see how you were banned. It is not that you are controversial, it is that your arguments fail in the logic department. The person that posted about cancer was drawing an analogy trying to say that there are limitations to what modern medicine and science could do ( I should know my boyfriend works in the stem cell research facility) Modern science cant cure cancer and modern medicine has its limitations with surgery because we are
biological organisms made out of living cells whether or not you wish to acknowledge that.

As far as saying about influx of nurses, overly exagerating much ?It's not an
epidemic, it is two ! people that posted a response in a gloss thread, one of
them being a nurse and another being me, I am flattered that you think I am a nurse in training, but if payed closer attention you would have noticed I said there I am working on my doctorate degree, to protect my identity, so I may or may not :haha: be a med student myself. But the degree I am getting soon ends in .D so that should give you a clue :Angelic:

Also, I wasn't promoting anything ( just look at your twisted trail of thoughts, paranoid much ?), I was being a regular forum member and participating in the threads I found to be interesting. I also wanted to share my insights since I am currently undergoing training to become a .... and worked as a biochemist in the past, I probably have heck of a lot more idea about how human bodies function vs.Your average self. Sharing your knowledge and insight when replying to the threads you find interesting isnt exactly promoting.
I would hardly consider myself a religious wacko given how I was very logical in my argument presicely pointing out " lets bash all surgeons" mode of thinking nonsense falls short in the logic department. Lastly being a scientist ( analytical biochemist in the past), I would say science and religion dont mix well so I am probably as far from a religious wacko as you would love to entertain.

Lastly, I grew up in San Francisco, CA, so my tolerance meter for any alternative lifestyle is as on as it can get, I am bisexual myself sexuality wise. But my tolerance for retarded illogical mode of thinking is 0, so if if you were posting crap like this on MMH then I can totally see why you got banned.

Rskull 04-29-2011 06:04 PM

Please do nt fight.

Almondtree 04-29-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rskull (Post 10643)
Please do nt fight.

I am not fighting, I am just calling this person out on their total BS and failure to form coherent thoughts. She or he, calls people out on being religious wackos but are not better themselves and automatically ignorantly places everyone who doesnt agree with her or his radical train of thought ( if you are not with me, you are against mentality) into pro- botch category. What happened to just being neutral ? :)

I also dont like being called anurse in training, I am not spending 10+ years of my life in school, plus residency to be called a nurse in training. :Freak:

TRC 05-01-2011 11:35 AM

Actually, my logic isn't flawed a bit; yours is. I don't care if your husband works in the cancer field, or wether you work in the medical field, I've been studying rhinoplasty daily for the past 5 years and I can tell you for a fact that there is no biological reason that a result becomes a botched result from healing. I've never seen a scientific case of it. I've also never seen a case of the bodies cells coming together and forming a piece of left-over gause in someone's chest, or someone's scar tissue coming together to form a random cartilage graft that the surgeon did not place. Go figure.

However, with cancer, which is a biological disease , not caused by a surgeons' hand, it is entirely caused by biological factors and is sometimes lethal or uncurable. There's no logic about it, rhinoplasty and cancer are two entirely different things. There's no way to compare them. You're someone who, for some reason or other, is trying to find justifications of why surgeons botch people, and there's no justification for it. If you can find a documented case of a result that looked amazing when the cast came off, but suddenly developed some major deformity or other a couple months later, I'd love to see it. Even if you found a case like this, it'd have happened entirely because of malpractice; creating a nose that collapses because of negligent techniques.

At the very most, I've seen rhinoplasty cases that look good for decades, that do get more pinched after about 40 years. That's a realistic complication. A nose collapsing after a few months is not.

There is especially no reason that a result can become comprimised or botched during the healing week; during this time period, scar tissue has not formed and the result relies entirely on how the surgeon preserved strength during surgery. If the nose looked good on the operating table but collapsed 3 days later, that is botched surgery. That's the legal definition of negligence. But of coarse, anyone involved with the medical field won't admit this, the medical field itself tries to teach up-and-coming professionals that malpractice is OK because biology is somehow "random". Yet, we have 6th grade classes that teach the exact opposite. It isn't being paranoid, it's having a modern education.

It's just like how, in some countries or past time periods, legal systems justified rape by saying that females "liked it", to put a long story short. It wasn't just random laws, there would be psychiatrists who sat around and tried to prove what little straws they could hold onto to prove that women "liked it", to entirely protect the male culture. The exact same thing is happening with the ENTIRE plastic surgery field and it's a field filled with criminals that I will forever be on the rampage about. It's people like you who would have justified (or stayed "neutral" about) slavery, finding some sort of religious education or facts to back it up. Only this time, you don't even have the facts on your side, it's more that some professor who's off committing malpractice every other day has told you that malpractice happens randomly to protect his own views on the matter, and it does not happen that way.

Another "justifiable" form of negative surgery is when a patient goes in and the surgeon makes a conservative change that he feels is safe, rather than making an extreme change. That is a GOOD thing and that's not what I'm saying malpractice is - though, if the surgeon makes no change at all and opens and closes the skin envelope just to make money, without performing surgical changes to the cartilage, that is indeed fraud. (I have seen a couple cases of that in my years, as well.)

Rskull 05-01-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TRC (Post 10660)
- though, if the surgeon makes no change at all and opens and closes the skin envelope just to make money, without performing surgical changes to the cartilage, that is indeed fraud. (I have seen a couple cases of that in my years, as well.)

Yes that s fraud-this happens, especially with dismorphs. On other occassions, the surgeon does change cartilage and there will be no need to do so for the simple reason to make more money. There are several crooks in this industry since it is a profitable source and one should be careful. On the other hand, there are other surgeons who are dedicated and strive to see their patients happy without being fraidulent.

TRC 05-01-2011 03:07 PM

Basically, this is a list of justifiable negative rhinoplasty outcomes, based on science:

-If the patient had the deformity before surgery, but only if it's obvious that an attempt was made to fix the deformity or the surgeon, right after surgery, explains and admits the reasons why his skill level could not fix the deformity and why he did not attempt it.

This justifiable type of outcome, though not morally but legally considered malpractice (is a realistic thing to expect), still deserves a refund or free touch-up both legally and morally.

-If the surgeon opens up the nose and encounters tremendously complex problems that are outside his skill level, and decides for the patient's safety, he'll just reclose the nose. This only applies if, again, the surgeon has the balls to admit the reason surgery did not go as planned and does the right thing by giving a refund and sending the patient to a more experienced specialist instead of messing up the nose himself.

This justifiable (and safer) option, though morally justifiable, still indeed requires a refund or free touch-up both legally and morally.

That's all I can think of. Any other type of result, if not positive in the patients eyes and has medical deformities, is considered malpractice (and many other crimes) by both federal and state law. That's all there is to it. Even these two options above are considered malpractice and fraud, but I'm just saying that there are a few justifiable scenarios where, even if a surgeon commits these crimes, they are justifiable morally.

This link below is an interesting study that was done by scientific means, and is a study that I have been promoting for years - I've said throughout my years that all surgical suites need to be equipped with breathalizers, and that surgeons should not be legally allowed to drink alchohol up to two days before scheduled surgeries. I list this as the #1 reason malpractice takes place, though a certain user on this thread will probably try to discredit this scientific study:

http://www.ratemds.com/social/?q=node/49191

Almondtree 05-01-2011 08:50 PM

Just because you have been throwing around the word scientific, doesnt mean it is actually scientific. Scientists write bogus articles all the time, just think about the scandalous fake paper that british doctor wrote about immunizations causing autism, do you not rememebr that ? That was a scientific article as well.:goog eyes:



There are a certain criteria to be able to evaliate the Quality of scientific writing - how was the study conducted, were the investigators blinded, were the subjects blinded, was the concealement of allocatin carried out, and scientists study these as a part of their methodological training. Reading online forums doesnt qualify as education I am sorry, hence just because you find an online article doesnt mean you have the necesssery critical skills to be able to evaluate validity of that article. :)


You can argue all you want, but the basis comes down to this - regular surgeries go wrong all the time, so why can rhinoplasties being a type of surgery not go wrong ?


Also, its interesting to see your change of tone, going from obnoxious exaggerations - " just

look at this influx of nurses in training pro botch", to now trying to sound calm and rational. What a flip, bipolar disorder much ?

Rskull 05-02-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Almondtree (Post 10672)
There are a certain criteria to be able to evaliate the Quality of scientific writing - how was the study conducted, were the investigators blinded, were the subjects blinded, was the concealement of allocatin carried out, and scientists study these as a part of their methodological training. Reading online forums doesnt qualify as education I am sorry, hence just because you find an online article doesnt mean you have the necesssery critical skills to be able to evaluate validity of that article. :)

Yes it s true. Online forums are there simply to help the patient to inform him/her about particular stuff. But online forum materials which are not published by people who have a degree or a higher accredited degree, well I usually take them with a pinch of salt. And when I study medicine and anything related to healthcare, I like to stick to what qualified people say-and which is approved by certain orgs. In my opinion, online forums are also there to support patients-even the fact that someone is discussing a matter of concern makes the person relax cause he/she is opening up with someone else who can understand and who is in similar situations.

However, I do stick to certain articles which make sense. For instance, I do believe in the article which was posted on RateMds about drinking, etc... yet I have nt saw who the author was. But it did make sense to me cause I know by fact that some people cant perform well even after a certain amout of days pass after drinking.

KristenMarie 05-13-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Almondtree (Post 10672)
Just because you have been throwing around the word scientific, doesnt mean it is actually scientific. Scientists write bogus articles all the time, just think about the scandalous fake paper that british doctor wrote about immunizations causing autism, do you not rememebr that ? That was a scientific article as well.:goog eyes:



There are a certain criteria to be able to evaliate the Quality of scientific writing - how was the study conducted, were the investigators blinded, were the subjects blinded, was the concealement of allocatin carried out, and scientists study these as a part of their methodological training. Reading online forums doesnt qualify as education I am sorry, hence just because you find an online article doesnt mean you have the necesssery critical skills to be able to evaluate validity of that article. :)


You can argue all you want, but the basis comes down to this - regular surgeries go wrong all the time, so why can rhinoplasties being a type of surgery not go wrong ?


Also, its interesting to see your change of tone, going from obnoxious exaggerations - " just

look at this influx of nurses in training pro botch", to now trying to sound calm and rational. What a flip, bipolar disorder much ?

I agree. Many times, a "botched" rhinoplasty is just in the eyes of the beholder and is subjective. What one person may consider botched may be fine in another person's eyes. Rhinoplasty is not an exact science, and it is impossible to determine how a person will swell and scar while doing the surgery. Just because someone's body doesn't heal exactly right or because you don't love the overall outcome, it is not grounds for malpractice and most certainly cannot legally be considered "negligent" as the original poster referred to it as. In order for the surgery to be considered negligent, the surgeon would have to breach his/her duty of care to the patient (cause an injury, undue harm, etc). If you went in for rhinoplasty, but came out with a broken jaw, that would indicate negligence. Just because a patient doesn't like the way they look post-surgery / your body doesn't heal correctly does not mean the doctor was negligent nor guilty of malpractice.


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