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Old 05-13-2011, 05:39 PM   #11
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I agree. Many times, a "botched" rhinoplasty is just in the eyes of the beholder and is subjective. What one person may consider botched may be fine in another person's eyes. Rhinoplasty is not an exact science, and it is impossible to determine how a person will swell and scar while doing the surgery. Just because someone's body doesn't heal exactly right or because you don't love the overall outcome, it is not grounds for malpractice and most certainly cannot legally be considered "negligent" as the original poster referred to it as. In order for the surgery to be considered negligent, the surgeon would have to breach his/her duty of care to the patient (cause an injury, undue harm, etc). If you went in for rhinoplasty, but came out with a broken jaw, that would indicate negligence. Just because a patient doesn't like the way they look post-surgery / your body doesn't heal correctly does not mean the doctor was negligent nor guilty of malpractice.
That's the most idiotic paragraph I've ever heard of in my life. If you go into a rhinoplasty and the surgeon directly causes damage to the nose that does not relate to textbook outcomes or changes, that is the legal definition of malpractice (I do not care what the surgeon you work for says.) A rhinoplasty does not have to effect your jaw to make it malpractice.

Do you think that this is a 'subjective' result?:

Dr.Jack P. Gunter Rhinoplasty nightmare

If your reasoning was correct, I would not know of multiple rhinoplasty patients who have successfully sued their surgeons over severe cosmetic and functional defects, fraud, neglect, malpractice, breach of contract, conspiracy, ect ect, winning millions of dollars in the process. Rhinoplasty is indeed an exact science no matter what your employer wants to tell you, that's why millions upon millions of studies have been done with rhinoplasty, and why there are millions upon millions of textbooks on the subject, many which are used at the universities the surgeons train at. If you do not like this concept, please go to Mexico where surgery is in fact, not a science, but done by unqualified surgeons.

But I welcome any user, wether a medical professional or not, to post a STUDY proving that things like scar tissue and biological healing can case deformities in a result that did not show those deformities when the cast was removed (again, as a person of science, I can tell you that scar tissue does not form in the nose for a good few weeks after surgery, where the nose entirely depends on the surgeon's techniques to stay symmetrical.) The most I've ever seen scar tissue do is create small pollybeaks, where as a steroid shot usually helps. That's not botched rhinoplasty, that's a SMALL side effect. But most of the patients I have seen who claim their noses are BOTCHED, do indeed have medical deformities that where directly caused by cartilages being mutilated and deformed with the surgeons scalpel.



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Old 05-13-2011, 08:11 PM   #12
 
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That's the most idiotic paragraph I've ever heard of in my life. If you go into a rhinoplasty and the surgeon directly causes damage to the nose that does not relate to textbook outcomes or changes, that is the legal definition of malpractice (I do not care what the surgeon you work for says.) A rhinoplasty does not have to effect your jaw to make it malpractice.

Do you think that this is a 'subjective' result?:

Dr.Jack P. Gunter Rhinoplasty nightmare

If your reasoning was correct, I would not know of multiple rhinoplasty patients who have successfully sued their surgeons over severe cosmetic and functional defects, fraud, neglect, malpractice, breach of contract, conspiracy, ect ect, winning millions of dollars in the process. Rhinoplasty is indeed an exact science no matter what your employer wants to tell you, that's why millions upon millions of studies have been done with rhinoplasty, and why there are millions upon millions of textbooks on the subject, many which are used at the universities the surgeons train at. If you do not like this concept, please go to Mexico where surgery is in fact, not a science, but done by unqualified surgeons.

But I welcome any user, wether a medical professional or not, to post a STUDY proving that things like scar tissue and biological healing can case deformities in a result that did not show those deformities when the cast was removed (again, as a person of science, I can tell you that scar tissue does not form in the nose for a good few weeks after surgery, where the nose entirely depends on the surgeon's techniques to stay symmetrical.) The most I've ever seen scar tissue do is create small pollybeaks, where as a steroid shot usually helps. That's not botched rhinoplasty, that's a SMALL side effect. But most of the patients I have seen who claim their noses are BOTCHED, do indeed have medical deformities that where directly caused by cartilages being mutilated and deformed with the surgeons scalpel.
You seem to have many deep rooted issues that plastic surgery will never be able to help. You are in this thread with a poster giving you advice from a medical standpoint whom also has a medical background and someone (me) giving you legal reasoning from a legal background, yet you continue to argue. By the way, I don't work for a doctor nor am I in the medical industry but I'm pretty sure I have enough legal training to know the differences and just because you don't like how you look after rhinoplasty, it is NOT grounds to call it malpractice nor negligence. Now I can see why you get banned from other boards. You deserve it. You are offensive and really should research what you are saying before spewing it all over forums such as this.

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Old 05-13-2011, 10:53 PM   #13
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I have not heard anything on this thread by users from a legal or surgical background. I'm quite sure I have more of a rhinoplasty education and education in legalities and psychology (have been reading and studying rhinoplasty textbooks, physical cases, and court cases surrounding the topic for the past 5 years) than any member on this thread. Now you're resorting to thinking that you know anything about psychology. You do not. Give up. You don't know anything about medicine, biology, psychology, surgery, ect ect and neither does anyone else arguing with me. I'm not going to have some nurse-in-training who gives shots to toddlers tell me about rhinoplasty when I've been studying it longer than she has, nor am I going to let some surgeon-worpshipping know-it-all who chances are is just a mother-of-two who works as a receptionist for a surgeon tell me that botched surgery is subjective and never defined. If that was true, I would again, not know of several people who have successfully sued their surgeons for cosmetic and functional defects.

Have you even been through botched surgery yourself? If so, then do you go back to your surgeon and praise him for the botched job he gave you? Because if you're happy with that result (if you have indeed had surgery), you sure wouldn't be here. Leave this forum up to the people who are considering surgery for scientific reasons or have been botched for scientific reasons. No one wants someone going around telling them that the crimes their surgeon committed against them are all in their head or justified by how "surgeons are good people" or that "surgery is a chance of God and not fact."

As well, I read on another thread how you had a functional rhinoplasty with an ENT, and I can bet that he gave you a very mediocre cosmetic result to go along with it, and to keep from being unhappy, you're trying to convince yourself that God must want you to have a mediocre result and that it's somehow "all part of a bigger picture that surgery can't control." Well, that's BOGUS. It is MALARKY. If you don't like your result, do something about it, and if you like it, go live your life. Your religious justifications of mediocre/bad surgery will not work on everyone, and the moderator on MMH who banned me (and if it is AnnieBeanSprout, she admitted herself that she did not know many direct facts involving the rhinoplasty process and is just now learning from us patients.) is just as big of an idiot.

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P.S. Please at least consult a dictionary before you tell me what malpractice is.


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I have not heard anything on this thread by users from a legal or surgical background. I'm quite sure I have more of a rhinoplasty education and education in legalities and psychology (have been reading and studying rhinoplasty textbooks, physical cases, and court cases surrounding the topic for the past 5 years) than any member on this thread. Now you're resorting to thinking that you know anything about psychology. You do not. Give up. You don't know anything about medicine, biology, psychology, surgery, ect ect and neither does anyone else arguing with me. I'm not going to have some nurse-in-training who gives shots to toddlers tell me about rhinoplasty when I've been studying it longer than she has, nor am I going to let some surgeon-worpshipping know-it-all who chances are is just a mother-of-two who works as a receptionist for a surgeon tell me that botched surgery is subjective and never defined. If that was true, I would again, not know of several people who have successfully sued their surgeons for cosmetic and functional defects.

Have you even been through botched surgery yourself? If so, then do you go back to your surgeon and praise him for the botched job he gave you? Because if you're happy with that result (if you have indeed had surgery), you sure wouldn't be here. Leave this forum up to the people who are considering surgery for scientific reasons or have been botched for scientific reasons. No one wants someone going around telling them that the crimes their surgeon committed against them are all in their head or justified by how "surgeons are good people" or that "surgery is a chance of God and not fact."

As well, I read on another thread how you had a functional rhinoplasty with an ENT, and I can bet that he gave you a very mediocre cosmetic result to go along with it, and to keep from being unhappy, you're trying to convince yourself that God must want you to have a mediocre result and that it's somehow "all part of a bigger picture that surgery can't control." Well, that's BOGUS. It is MALARKY. If you don't like your result, do something about it, and if you like it, go live your life. Your religious justifications of mediocre/bad surgery will not work on everyone, and the moderator on MMH who banned me (and if it is AnnieBeanSprout, she admitted herself that she did not know many direct facts involving the rhinoplasty process and is just now learning from us patients.) is just as big of an idiot.

Malpractice | Define Malpractice at Dictionary.com

P.S. Please at least consult a dictionary before you tell me what malpractice is.
You are just too funny. Here is a word that you may want to check in the dictionary: psychopath.

For the record, no I did not have a botched surgery, no I do not work for any kind of doctor, yes I had surgery, I have already posted before and after photos, I am very happy with my result, I had my surgery with a chair of Hopkins, I don't have any kids, I have never been on the MMH message boards, I hold 4 degrees and yes, I actually went to school and didn't waste my life studying message boards, and I really need to go to the bathroom. Anything else you would like to know about me?

One more thing: although no one has brought up religion at all, I believe that in a perfect society, we would be able to accept ourselves and each other just as God has made us. But it isn't a perfect society and people like you, who insist on bullying others and calling them things like humorous and comedic because of their looks, keep the plastic surgeons in business. Unfortunately for you, there is no surgery that will ever get rid of your ugly attitude.


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Old 05-26-2011, 01:03 PM   #15
 
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. What a flip, bipolar disorder much ?
No need to make a snide comment to mental health disorders! If he/she was bipolar, what of it?

And who cares if he's spewing nonsense, don't fuel it by replying again and again...


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I think that it is beneficial to be an aware consumer in the field of plastic surgery.

Degrees in life help a lot as they teach theories. I started a degree as a Med stud and resigned and after I started a degree in Health and Consumer Education to teach others especially how to fight marketing gimics especially those related to health (in the states the subject is more broad) and I can say that it helped me a lot in life. I applied the theories learnt at Uni to life. So cetificates help.

One should also consider the fact that being a consumer botched by surgeons also help one to understand better which way to go-do nt know if I explained myself properly. The fact that one has been accessing message boards for a long time means that the person is knowledgeable in the information posed by messageboards. I am more that sure that TRC has a broad understanding of the topic and knows who are the best surgeons in the states.

Messageboards are there, especially PSS, to help others.They are a means to support others. We should not fight on messageboards but learn from others.


When it comes to the topic of MMH, I do nt want to criticise it a lot for now...however, one thing I noticed about MMH and I do nt want to go into detail and without prejudice is that in my opinion they promote marketing surgeons and when a 'bad' thread about a surgeon they promote come about, they remove it...

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I think it may be best if we stop bumping this thread and just let it rest.

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